[dodger]

All but 17 of 50  M3's for sale in Vic are by private sellers .......hard to move ???

[looney]

sign of the times,

nobody is spending money, and i guess an M3 is probably too specific for many people. 

not to mention most are probably SMG which sucks ##ck bick time.

just my $0.02

[dodger]

sign of the times,
nobody is spending money, and i guess an M3 is probably too specific for many people. 
not to mention most are probably SMG which sucks ##ck bick time.
just my $0.02

Probaby a good time to buy, except I'm not spending money either, could be it wil get tougher too.

Whats different about SMG thats different from other flappy paddle setups ?

[Ferrari Fissatore]

my 4 year old says it best.

he's still learning his words, so he calls it Piddle shit..., not shift.

He's closer than he thinks!

[dodger]

my 4 year old says it best.

he's still learning his words, so he calls it Piddle shit..., not shift.

He's closer than he thinks!

Ferrari are ok I presume.
Masa was ok
BMW not ? he only problem I see is that with the Merc C63 and BM M3 is that when you change you get no feedback no noise, takes all the fun out of it.

That is, no throttle blip, nor with Porsche.

[Ferrari Fissatore]

Ferrari are ok I presume.
Masa was ok
BMW not ? he only problem I see is that with the Merc C63 and BM M3 is that when you change you get no feedback no noise, takes all the fun out of it.

That is, no throttle blip, nor with Porsche.

sigh...

you can't compare slush box paddles with manual paddle shift..... but fwiw, the best SPORTIEST slush auto paddle
 box I've driven is the good old Datsun (yeah, ok, Neesarn) 370Z auto... simply superb, so much fun.

360 and M3 and early 4200 are ok if you like that kind of thing, except in stop start traffic and parking.
430 are ok everywhere. Late Maserati models are better too, like 430.

[dodger]

you can't compare slush box paddles with manual paddle shift.....  .

I didnt know there were different types.

[Ferrari Fissatore]

I didnt know there were different types.

thats why you should buy a QP auto 

[dodger]

thats why you should buy a QP auto 

That still doesn't answer the question, what the difference between that and the 4200 paddles (non I presume)
and what's the difference between in the way the paddles work, they're all flappy paddles but some work differently than others ? all I know is that they suit Italian cars and are pretty well BS on anything else, except perhas the SLS

You need throttle blip so you can feel the change and only Italians have it.

[Ferrari Fissatore]

That still doesn't answer the question, what the difference between that and the 4200 paddles (non I presume)
and what's the difference between in the way the paddles work, they're all flappy paddles but some work differently than others ? all I know is that they suit Italian cars and are pretty well BS on anything else, except perhas the SLS

You need throttle blip so you can feel the change and only Italians have it.

sigh...

slush autos (merc, tiptronic porsches, datsun 370z etc etc etc) have a torque convertor and hydraulic soft gear engagement, it's all slushy and gradually dis/connected.
 A human input doing what the box can do for itself.

manual boxes with paddles (M3, 360 etc) have a conventional clutch, with almost no slippage, and positive gear enagagement... a robot changing gear for you. ... not as well as you can do it yourself.

then you also have DSG double clutch systems (Golf, Porsche PDK, 458 etc etc)... the best of both worlds...