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Offline E7ITE


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The landscape changes so quickly these days...........the execs at Foxtel should have seen it coming.

FOxtel just lost their rights to the EPL (to Optus of all companies).  I think they underestimated how many EPL fans only had Foxtel for this.  It will be interesting to see how many subscribers jump ship at the end of the EPL season.



Offline looney


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Foxtel has to change their model or go under.

The landscape changes so quickly these days...........the execs at Foxtel should have seen it coming.

This ^^^^

the thing i take objection to is the cross subsidy of channels I don't want. Don't force me to pay for 40 channels i don't want and then up sell me on others.

I'd happily pay $2-4 per month per channel i want, then I'd probably still pay for 5-10 channels and be happy.  This model could actually work for them also, because it's a direct indication of which channels are most popular, how much money said channel specifically generates, and could allow them to drop those which are not profitable or popular.



Offline Aircon

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This ^^^^

the thing i take objection to is the cross subsidy of channels I don't want. Don't force me to pay for 40 channels i don't want and then up sell me on others.

I'd happily pay $2-4 per month per channel i want, then I'd probably still pay for 5-10 channels and be happy.  This model could actually work for them also, because it's a direct indication of which channels are most popular, how much money said channel specifically generates, and could allow them to drop those which are not profitable or popular.

If that happened, even I'd buy a channel or two. I guess it costs more than that to service a subscriber though.
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Offline 360c

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My wife decided that Foxtel was too expensive since we have been watching Netflix. So she took it upon herself to review the subscription without consultation. I went to watch it one day and every single channel I watch was gone. All her shit was still intact of course :rolleyes:
When challenged her response was "I saved $100 a month".  Like I give a fuck !
Now I can't watch anything at all so I am going to cut it off entirely without consultation 😈



Offline Aircon

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My wife decided that Foxtel was too expensive since we have been watching Netflix. So she took it upon herself to review the subscription without consultation. I went to watch it one day and every single channel I watch was gone. All her shit was still intact of course :rolleyes:
When challenged her response was "I saved $100 a month".  Like I give a fuck !
Now I can't watch anything at all so I am going to cut it off entirely without consultation 😈

As BJ once said to me "we don't get mad.... We get even '
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Offline looney


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If that happened, even I'd buy a channel or two. I guess it costs more than that to service a subscriber though.

but it depends on how they set up their fee structure.

for example $10 per month admin fee + $1 per channel, or a flat fee per channel of $2-4 as mentioned (assuming you buy your hardware up front).  you can cut it any way you like, but their "40 channel" packages are not a sales pitch that appeals to many buyers anymore, especially when the basic package has 1-3 channels you want, then you need to buy other 'packages' for channels you want.

its juts Karma catching up to them I hope :D



Offline B2

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I wish it was like that Looney.  ATEOTD I was forced to subscribe to Foxtel as I enjoy the V8's, F1 and MotoGP.  Think it was $70/month to get the Sports Channel in HD plus the basics which is a waste of time as you say.  I also added Movies for $20/mth.  Family uses that.  I'd love to add SiFi and few other channels but it does start to add up.

Anywhoo, I'm actually really happy with the Sports Channels on Foxtel.  When the V8's are on you get full live coverage of all support categories so I get to watch Carrera Cup, Australian GT etc which I really enjoy, live and no ads.  You never had that option on free to air and live streaming was always terrible.

Plus, there's heap of other Live Motorsport you can watch.  I'm not a Footy fan but that is live too.



Offline NSX

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http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/big-tax-savings-with-new-private-car-import-laws-40895?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide


The Federal Government has kicked another own goal, creating a new way for wealthy buyers to pay less tax on expensive cars.

Controversial changes to car import laws will deliver massive savings to the super rich -- and put a dent in tax revenue thanks to a new loophole.

As the Federal Government asks Australians to tighten their belts, a News Corp investigation has found fat cats will be able to save close to $200,000 on supercars and luxury sedans.

But the price of Australia's most popular cars such as the Hyundai i30 hatchback would be a staggering $15,000 dearer (from $20,000 to $35,000) if imported privately.

The well heeled can save a whopping $172,000 if they import a new Lamborghini V12 privately under the proposed legislation due in 2018, while the savings on a top-of-the-range Porsche 911 Turbo S add up to more than $102,000, and Ferrari's latest model can be had for $56,000 less than the local RRP, according to detailed News Corp Australia analysis.

The Federal Government rakes in approximately $450 million in Luxury Car Tax each year and has forecast increased revenue from the tax, which is 33 per cent on every dollar above $63,184.

But experts have warned it will be "open season for rorts" because it will be impossible to calculate the true transaction price of privately imported cars and, therefore, the government won't be able to apply accurate tax charges.

News Corp Australia based its calculations on untampered prices.

The government has inadvertently provided a legitimate way for rich people to avoid paying more tax.
But if unscrupulous dealers in the UK are happy to provide what the industry calls a "split invoice" (one for the car, and one for a sales broker's "commission") then the savings would be even greater because the 5 per cent import duty, 10 per cent GST and 33 per cent Luxury Car Tax are all based on a dealer invoice rather than the real price paid for the car.

"Customs cannot and will not be able to determine the true transaction price of a car in another country," said a high ranking car industry veteran, speaking on condition of anonymity. "This is another tax dodge for the super-rich. The government has inadvertently provided a legitimate way for rich people to avoid paying more tax."

Even if privately imported luxury cars are processed using honest invoices, the government will still take less import duty, GST and Luxury Car Tax.

The GST and LCT on a $795,000 Lamborghini bought from an Australian dealership is $226,517 ($57,086 and $169,431 respectively), but one imported privately at today's exchange rate attracts $181,261 in GST and LCT ($43,652 and $137,609 respectively), a saving of $45,256.

However, if private importers were to provide a lower invoice price, the savings on import duty, GST and LCT would be even greater.

A spokesman for Paul Fletcher, the federal minister for infrastructure, who is overseeing the proposed changes, said: "The government is fully aware of the compliance issues involved in collecting duty on imported items, including vehicles. This is by no means unique to motor vehicles and there are well established practices to ensure that Customs collects the appropriate amount of duty."

Buyers on a budget will be unlikely to import vehicles privately because the prices would be much dearer, once exchange rates, shipping and insurance costs are taken into account.

The government is risking consumer protection, road safety and industry jobs to help the super-rich
Another veteran of the automotive trade said: "Why the government has decided to stick the knife into car dealers who are traditionally supporters of the Liberal Party has everyone scratching their heads. How is saving thousands on a Ferrari going to help swinging voters who can't afford one? This policy is going to hurt the working and middle classes who service and sell luxury cars, because the dealership won't be able to keep everyone on once there is a downturn in sales of factory-imported vehicles".

Industry experts also warn the new law threatens to make Australia a "dumping ground for discounted demonstrator models" from abroad, that may have been repaired after a crash.

The government wants to allow "new" cars with up to 500km on the clock to be imported privately, even though the industry definition of a used car is one that has travelled more than 100km.

Furthermore, the government has warned private individuals would be responsible for seeking their own warranty, service and recall work.

"The government is risking consumer protection, road safety and industry jobs to help the super-rich," said the car industry executive.

Savings for the super rich

Lamborghini Aventador V12
Australian RRP: $795,000
Private import price: $622,790
Saving: $172,210

Porsche 911 Turbo S
Australian RRP: $444,500
Private import price: $342,154
Saving: $102,346

Rolls-Royce Ghost V12
Australian RRP: $595,000
Private import price: $531,548
Saving: $63,452

Mercedes-Benz S600 Maybach
Australian RRP: $448,610
Private import price: $386,828
Saving: $61,782

Ferrari 458GTB
Australian RRP: $469,888
Private import price: $413,387
Saving: $56,501

Why the changes won't help buyers on a budget

Hyundai i30
Australian RRP: $19,990
Private import price: $35,000
Increase: $15,000

Toyota Corolla
Australian RRP: $21,990
Private import price: $35,950
Increase: $13,960

UK prices sourced from manufacturer websites, then 20 per cent VAT removed. Currency converted to Australian dollars on 27 April 2016 using rates on XE.com, then add 5 per cent import duty, 10 per cent GST, and 33 per cent LCT on every dollar above $63,184. Plus $5000 for shipping and insurance. Hyundai and Toyota shipping and insurance costs were $2500, like-for-like models compared.



Offline David B


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To confirm;

its only new cars <500km on clock the changes relate to ?

Seems that just the waranty issues alone whould still make it pretty sus to try and import on the side.

Resale issues also could be a worry.

Only advantage I can see would be unsold models here becoming possibly available ?



Offline mhh

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The importers and dealer associations are crying wolf. Warranties are provided by the manufacturers, not the middlemen. It's a great move by the government to increase competition and lower prices.



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