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speaking of a losing battle...just watched nelson v fenech.

was a good fight towards the end, even though it was a bit slow starting.

I love my car. Buy your own

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Some beat-up story on the news about a GPS integrated car system...


(I can't see the vid from here so no idea what it is :scared: )

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7tnoQaSyA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7tnoQaSyA</a>

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GPS speed limiters in action

Carsguide tested advisory and supportive ISA systems.

Carsguide’s exclusive test of new ISA speed limiting devices.

Imagine a satellite navigation system that not only told you were you were but also made sure you kept within the speed limit.

The New South Wales Centre for Road Safety recently implemented an Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA) project designed to control the speed of vehicles using GPS satellites and a digital map of speed limits.

Covering 2500km of road across the Illawarra region south of Sydney where road types vary significantly, the project will use 100 fleet vehicles fitted with the ISA devices, from businesses within the area.

How they work

Two different ISA systems are being tested - advisory and supportive. Advisory systems alert the driver with a sound or a message when the vehicle exceeds the legal limit. Supportive systems limit the fuel to the engine once the driver reaches the speed limit. Supportive systems can be overridden by the driver.

Data recorders within the devices themselves, as well as written surveys will gather information regarding speed limit compliance, traffic infringement rates, fuel consumption, greenhouse gas emissions, driver acceptance, crash involvement and device reliability and usability.

The major aim of the project is to save lives and prevent injuries on NSW roads.

Testing the systems

Project Manager of the ISA project, John Wall invited carsguide for an exclusive test of the devices in one of the Sydney areas that has already been mapped, so we could find out if what sounds great on paper is as good in practice.

Both systems, attached to the dash, looked a lot like current external GPS satellite navigation systems, although as popularity increases they are likely to be integrated.

The system displays are designed to be simple so as not to divert the attention of the driver. The current speed limit within a red circle is just about all you can see on the screen.

If you do not exceed the speed limit, all other alerts are audible, usually by way of a ‘dong’ followed by a voice that lets the driver know when a new speed limit is in place.

Advisory system

“The advisory system is simply a smarter version of a speed limiter that can be found in most modern cars today.” says Wall. “The difference is that with ISA devices, there is no need to manually enter your desired speed limit - the system does it for you”.

Once the speed limit has been exceeded, an initial ‘beep’ is sounded, followed by a voice that lets you know that you are travelling too fast. If you keep speeding the beeps become more frequent until you slow down to the required limit.

Different manufacturers of these ISA systems will carry slightly different alert sounds and warning messages. This particular model alerted us when we were travelling through a school zone which was helpful.

Supportive system

Unlike advisory systems which just advise you that you are speeding, supportive systems actually cut the flow of fuel to the car if you travel over the speed limit.

Initially we were a little apprehensive about trying this one because we like to be fully in control of the vehicle – and are pretty sure we’re not alone in that. But we pressed on,  accelerating hard to push past the 50km speed limit on a straight stretch of road.

The car travelled to about 54km/h and the device beeped before we felt a subtle –  very subtle – loss of power. There was no sudden jolt or jerk – it was almost like the feeling you get when you hit top speed in a golf cart and the limiter cuts in – very smooth and gentle.

Wall explains that “..the system tricks the vehicle into thinking that you have taken your foot off the accelerator”.

A foot continuing to press on the throttle simply held the speed at 54 for a short while, then it dropped to 53, 52, 51 and 50.

Like cruise control in most cars today, gravity and inertia play a part in how fast the vehicle travels. At the moment, the ISA devices do not use the braking systems in the car which is the reason for it creeping up a few kilometres over 50km/h.

The delay can also be attributed to the time it takes the devices to retrieve new data from the satellites and then to perform the complex calculations necessary.

To over-ride the system you simply press the accelerator to about three quarters of the way down to the floor. Once the point of resistance is met, the system cuts out and the car continues to accelerate.

How they went

After our initial scepticism, we were very impressed with the both of these systems. There are so many instances where we inadvertently lose concentration and end up over the speed limit without knowing it. The accuracy of the ISA devices was near perfect and the gentle loss of power when using the supportive system felt very safe and unobtrusive. The audible alerts – unless we were speeding – were helpful rather than irritating.

The ISA devices are simply there as a guide. For those of who remain cynical, remember that both systems can be overridden so the driver is still ultimately in control.

On the drawing board for phase two of the project are devices that will adjust speed limits in rain or fog and even slow the car down – using the cars brakes – within advisory speed limits around sharp corners.

There is no doubt that as the use of more sophisticated technology develops these systems further, there is huge potential for them to advise and support drivers on a much larger scale.

The ISA systems should be commercially available before the end of the trial in November 2009 – when results of the project will be presented. They should cost around $400 – $800.

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Police hoons caught ignoring speed limits

POLICE cars are being routinely caught speeding by fixed-speed cameras, despite almost $200,000 spent advertising their locations and erecting warning signs before them.

Staff were snapped speeding during non-operational duties more than once a fortnight at the three Brisbane sites between their introduction in December last year and May 31.

The 11 offences - including one 20km/h over the limit - are detailed in the department's own photographic infringement notices obtained by The Courier-Mail under Freedom of Information laws.

Police officers can have their infringements waived if their speeding is operational - such as those incurred during a chase - but the FOI application specifically asked for instances where there was no valid excuse.

Police Minister Judy Spence yesterday said she considered the breaches very serious, saying the cases were investigated and reviewed by police driving panels.

"It is disappointing when police officers are caught speeding without a valid reason because they are expected to set an example," Ms Spence said.

"In addition to the issue of a traffic infringement notice, officers can also be the subject of disciplinary action."

Offences were most common at the site at Main St, Kangaroo Point, with seven breaches, followed by the Bruce Highway at Burpengary and the M1 at Tarragindi, on Brisbane's southside, with two each.

One unmarked vehicle was caught travelling at 120km/h in the 100km/h zone at Tarragindi on March 13. Another, a marked police car, was snapped going 77km/h in a 60km/h zone at inner-city Kangaroo Point on January 12.

The offences come despite the State Government spending about $163,000 advertising the rollout of the cameras and their locations. More than 42,000 vehicles have been caught speeding.

RACQ external affairs manager Gary Fites said he was surprised and disappointed police did not know the location of their own cameras.

"It's hard to believe, particularly now they have improved the signage at the sites, because the police of all people should know where they are," Mr Fites said.

Details of the offences come after The Courier-Mail revealed in January that police had failed to catch themselves speeding.

FOI documents showed two police cars had been snapped but the drivers not identified due to "admin errors", forcing the department to pay a higher commercial rate of fines.

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Saw that there is meant to be an election in NT soon, would be interesting to see if the CLP (I think that's what's up there) will campaign about dropping the speed limit. I think it would be their only hope of winning.

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What a cute little name for their website - "Cameras Cut Crashes" :rolleyes:


Motorists can check speed cameras

VICTORIAN drivers nabbed by speed cameras will be able to check the accuracy of the camera online, eliminating costly Freedom of Information (FoI) requests.

From this week speed camera calibration certificates will be available on the Victorian Government's website at www.justice.vic.gov.au/camerascutcrashes.

Victorian Premier John Brumby said the information would save drivers money by making information previously only available under FoI freely accessible to the public.

"From the point of view of the government department, the Department of Justice, it saves us some time and money as well because we're not dealing with more than 100 FoI application (a year)," Mr Brumby told Fairfax Radio Network.

About 20 per cent of FoI requests lodged with the Department of Justice relate to speed cameras.

Mr Brumby said providing calibration certificates online would give the public confidence that speed cameras were tested regularly and accurate.

The website has also been updated to map fixed speed camera locations for the first time. Previously camera sites were provided in an alphabetical list.

"You can actually get on the map, you can see where they are ... so it's giving the public a lot more information," Mr Brumby said.

"You can see where the cameras are and secondly if you are a person who's been detected and you believe that you weren't speeding and you want to check that the camera has actually been serviced and is accurate, all of that information now is available free without having to go to FoI."

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Wowser wankers at it again.


Anger at 'hoon insurance' offer

NEW  "insurance for hoons'' products that offer banned drivers big taxi and chauffeur-fare payouts have angered road safety campaigners.

Ezy Insure is offering a speeders' package that provides drivers who lose their licences over a series of traffic infringements $1000 a month for three months to cover the cost of alternative transport.

Penny Martin, of Working Against Culpable Driving, said the company was cushioning punishment for reckless drivers.

Ms Martin, whose son, Josh, and his friend, Jack Gilhooley, both 16, died in a car driven by a drink-driver, said: "It tells drivers it doesn't matter what they do because they won't be inconvenienced. This is the wrong message to be sending to drivers, especially younger ones.''

The RACV and traffic police described the policy as "perverse'' and "inappropriate''.

Ezy Insure states on its website it does "not condone speeding or reckless driving''.

But it adds: "If you lose your driving licence through an accumulation of points, we will assist you with the cost of alternative transport during your suspension.''

The cash could help motorists use taxis or hire a personal driver so they can continue life as usual, it says.

Cover starts from $10 a month and drivers must not receive more than three demerit points per offence.

Company director Alan Brewis said the policy was aimed at the "normal driver''.

"It's for the sort of person who is driving along and loses concentration, goes over the limit by a five or 10kmh and gets snapped,'' he said.

He would not provide figures, but said since the package was launched in January the response had "exceeded expectations'' and was "very, very popular''.

The RACV said Ezy Insure was obviously targeting a niche clientele, but it had picked the wrong market for this kind of product.

"It's hoon insurance -- this is a totally perverse offer,'' RACV public policy general manager, Brian Negus said.

He said the nature of the policy encouraged unsafe driving because motorists would feel protected against punishment.

"If you lose enough demerit points often enough to lose your licence then you have a problem,'' he said.

A police spokesman said the insurance package was a commercial matter, but it appeared to be "inappropriate''.

And for those thinking this is a good idea, gotta love the name of it... "LOL Assist" :D - http://www.lolassist.com.au/?rid=01110

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Dammit :irked:


Cop suspended 'for reducing fines'

A VICTORIAN police officer has been suspended on full pay with reports the officer had reduced speeding fines and recorded cars as going slower than they actually were.

The suspension was confirmed by Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon on Fairfax radio this morning but she would not comment on the reports of fine tampering.

"We are investigating a matter which relates to a police officer and I guess my point at this stage is we are investigating and I think various people are speculating at what it is. But we've had concerns about his behaviour and we are investigating that," Ms Nixon confirmed.

It's claimed the charges the police officer may face are perverting the course of justice and falsifying documents.

Ms Nixon said police were talking to the Director of Public Prosecutions about what charges may be laid, if any.

She refused to say how the investigation came about, other than to say information came from "a number of sources".

An investigation into the officer had been going on for "some time now", Ms Nixon said, but declined to say for how long.

The Ethical Standards Department carried out the investigation.

"We have a variety of ways we conduct investigations ... we're comfortable with the way we are investigating that.

"There's a whole variety of ways we find out about officers behaving badly. Our Ethical Standards Department does an outstanding job."

But she said officers did have discretion when pulling people over for speeding.

"What people need to understand is that police officers do have discretion. Many officers exercise that discretion in a number of ways.

"What we require of our officers when they do that, though, is that they are open and transparent."

The officer has not been named at this stage.

"People have a right to some privacy in policing, while we investigate the matter."

If charges are laid, the police will publicly name those charges and the case will go before the court, Ms Nixon said

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Latest pointless money wasting campaign - "creepers" :rolleyes:

I *think* the point is to warn against people creeping over the speed limit while they're too busy checking their speedo or something.

Won't bother linking the clip here - it's useless.

Basically, they're going against people speeding by a few km/h (which they make their most money from) but the ad shows someone overstepping the pedaestrian line by a metre or so and running over some chick and her kid.

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