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did you catch Prototype This tonight.... they developed a system where if you got angry while driving your car, it would cut power until you calmed down. when you were calm, the engine would resume.

i thought, now this is the worst idea ever, if my car was to cut power cos i was angry, it would only make the situation worse!!!!

No missed it.

But - enjoy cars and "freedom" to use them as you wish while you can, some time in the next 5-10 years I'm thinking there will be a major ad-hoc to the legislation mandating control systems. 

News-making smashes like the Magill incident which happen because of idiocy will only further the cause for this kind of thing to be legislated to protect us from ourselves.  A few high-profile prangs at a time when technology becomes available - eg say an actor's kid dies in a "street race", or is killed/incapacitated by someone "speeding" - massive media campaign ensues - some polly aiming for backbencher becomes poster-boy for the 95% of folk who consider vehicles simply as appliances, and soon enough we are all limited to lowest common denominator in our general blanket law system.



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one of my favourite quotes....

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one of the biggest misconceptions in this world is the theory that the evils of mankind can by cured by legislation



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i thought, now this is the worst idea ever, if my car was to cut power cos i was angry, it would only make the situation worse!!!!


lol, exactly my thoughts. That would p*ss me off no end. 




And you couldn't just drive away either, so you may as well get out of the car and teach the other driver/s some manners.  :p




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News-making smashes like the Magill incident which happen because of idiocy will only further the cause for this kind of thing to be legislated to protect us from ourselves.  A few high-profile prangs at a time when technology becomes available - eg say an actor's kid dies in a "street race", or is killed/incapacitated by someone "speeding" - massive media campaign ensues - some polly aiming for backbencher becomes poster-boy for the 95% of folk who consider vehicles simply as appliances, and soon enough we are all limited to lowest common denominator in our general blanket law system.

That's the problem, when an incident like the Magill one happens, it creates shock and emotion and the media love that, so they'll capitalise on it by stirring up more shock and emotion reinforcing peoples reactions. And when that happens, it puts pressure on legislators to spend millions to change the law because a person died. I don't want to sound harsh just when it happened today, but the media's behaviour in situations like this is unreasonable.

Another part of the problem is, when you change legislation to try and protect young kids from killing themselves, you are indirectly treating the other young kids including the sensible ones as if they were idiots. How do you punish the ones behaving like idiots without punishing the sensible drivers?

Reading some of the comments on Adelaide Now website, I saw some of the responses on there suggested that the government use some of their speed camera revenue in building drag racing tracks. But I would've thought that it wouldn't work because racing on the streets has a different thrill for different people.



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Motorists travelling at speed limit could trigger 'green wave' of traffic lights

Motorists travelling at the speed limit could benefit from a series of green traffic lights along a stretch of road after the Government relaxed traffic flow rules.

Drivers approaching the first traffic light at or just below the speed limit would trigger a succession of green lights further along the road, speeding up journey times, it has been reported.

The move will allow local authorities across the UK to introduce the new 'green wave' road sensor schemes, similar to those already used in European cities including Amsterdam and Copenhagen.

The Department of Transport (DfT) has previously discouraged such schemes because they feared motorists travelling smoothly use less fuel and pay less to the Treasury in duty.

But the Government has decided to scrap these rules and has issued updated guidance to local authorities. The rules, in the New Approach to Appraisal (NATA), no longer treats a potential cut in fuel tax paid as a 'cost' to the public.

It is hoped the introduction of 'green wave' schemes would also help to cut carbon emissions and traffic noise.

The move has been welcomed by environmentalists.

Cyclists could be allowed to run red lights under proposals, put forward by Boris Johnson, to reduce fatal accidents Stephen Joseph, executive director of Campaign for Better Transport, told the Daily Telegraph: 'This is a small victory for common sense.

'The DfT has recognised that taxpayers also use transport. The old system was perverse, it seemed to be an absolute nonsense and confirmed drivers' worst fears that they were being treated as a cash cow.'

A spokesman for the AA added: 'These green wave schemes will make it easier for motorists on major routes.

'But we also have to take into account the side streets that have to feed into the main roads.'

A DfT spokesman said: 'Tackling climate change is one of the single most important issues we face, and cutting road transport CO2 emissions will play an important part in that.

'Urban traffic control systems, like green wave, help tackle congestion and vehicle emissions in urban areas, and a number are already being progressed as local major schemes.'

The news comes as Boris Johnson, who is also said to favour the 'green wave' idea, unveiled plans to allow cyclists to go through red traffic lights legally.

The London mayor has written to the DfT suggesting that cyclists should be allowed to turn left at red lights, avoiding a potential 30 fine.

Cyclists would therefore be able to negotiate turns ahead of vehicles, particularly lorries which are responsible for a high proportion of cyclist deaths.
In 2008, nine of the 13 cyclists killed in London were hit by a heavy goods vehicle.

Kulveer Ranger, director of transport policy at City Hall, told the Evening Standard: 'We have written to the DfT asking to run a trial on this.

'It is a practical proposal which would help improve the relationship between cyclists and other road users.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169909/Motorists-travelling-speed-limit-trigger-green-wave-traffic-lights.html



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Three streets earn $3 million in speeding fines

SPEEDING drivers in three city streets have netted the State Government almost $3 million in fines in 12 months.

South Tce was the highest revenue earner from speeding drivers with more than $1.5 in infringements logged there from January 1 to December 31 last year.

Jeffcott St, North Adelaide, came in a lucrative second, returning $998,383 with King William St ($896,692) and Peacock Rd ($598,141) in the city close behind.

Main North Rd at Gepps Cross, including the notorious "five-ways" intersection, was another popular spot for speeders with $473,540 in fines issued.

Victor Harbor Rd, Old Noarlunga, ($277,871) was the worst country location for speeding infringements and the ninth highest earner in SA.

The Government has released the top-20 speed trap locations in South Australia, which have poured millions of dollars into state coffers.

Police Minister Michael Wright said the results proved the Government was serious about improving road safety.

"This is about letting people know that if they speed in these locations there is a very good chance you will be caught and it will cost (them)," he said. "But the cost could be far greater should you injure yourself or others."

Speed cameras are deployed in locations earmarked by Traffic Intelligence which takes in the crash history of the location and nearby, driving habits reported historically in the area and the physical condition of a location as a potential road safety risk.

"Traffic safety cameras are a proven way of reducing death and injury on the roads," Mr Wright said. "(Driving) even a few kilometres over the (speed) limit can have a significant impact on the severity of a crash."

 

Top-20 locations-revenue

Henley Beach Rd, Henley Beach $147,420,

Old South Rd, Old Reynella ($149,476),

Queen St, Williamstown ($153,701),

Main South Rd, Reynella ($154,763),

North Tce, Port Elliot ($159,488),

Main North Rd, Blair Athol ($161,621),

Main South Rd, Old Noarlunga ($165,126),

Grange Rd, Grange ($172,503),

Walkerville Tce, Gilberton ($215,368),

Military Rd, West Beach ($217,560)

Commercial Rd, Port Adelaide ($248,554),

Victor Harbor Rd, Old Noarlunga ($277,871),

Dashwood Rd, Beaumont ($278,310),

Ocean Blvd, Seacliff Park ($345,839),

Osmond Tce, Norwood ($382,245),

Main North Rd, Gepps Cross ($473,540),

Peacock Rd, Adelaide ($598,141),

King William Rd, Adelaide ($896,692)

Jeffcott St, North Adelaide ($998,383)

South Tce, Adelaide ($1,501,423).

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25470747-5006301,00.html



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Are those Speed cameras "fixed" or vehicle mounted units????

It sounds like they are vehicle mounted units reading between the lines.

Imagine how much more they could raise by making them "fixed".  :rolleyes:



I know there is an argument that if they make them permanent that people will wise up to their locations.
But this is not the case, some people wise up to them but many others for some reason just forget about them.
We have a few permanent cameras locally here and when they first went in they paid for themselves very quickly.
They still raise quite a lot of money and it is a steady figure month but month.
What still boggles me is that these cameras are signed very clearly to say they are there and everybody surely knows about them, but they still raise a regular income.



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Vehicle-mounted - I see them all the time, they are placed on the safest, widest roads on the edge of the CBD.

There's usually one parked here just after the 50 sign on Hutt Rd: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.938121,138.612785&spn=0,359.980774&z=16&layer=c&cbll=-34.937945,138.612762&panoid=t2h2DU0Wz4VVG1kTILXUow&cbp=12,336.78,,0,-0.42

The Jeffcott St one parks here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.90515,138.59077&spn=0,359.980774&z=16&iwloc=lyrftr:w2.92,0x6ab0c8d064a0419d:0xedd589000392ba8c,-34.905255,138.590963&lci=transit&layer=c&cbll=-34.905068,138.59073&panoid=HtAb8eRNixzgyAIXmIitDg&cbp=12,148.49,,0,-3.44

The Peacock Rd guy parks here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.90515,138.59077&spn=0,359.980774&z=16&iwloc=lyrftr:w2.92,0x6ab0c8d064a0419d:0xedd589000392ba8c,-34.905255,138.590963&lci=transit&layer=c&cbll=-34.939577,138.600805&panoid=SvjpQqqmLMS2WwDgEwytqQ&cbp=12,342.04,,0,-0.12

South Tce is usually around here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.90515,138.59077&spn=0,359.980774&z=16&iwloc=lyrftr:w2.92,0x6ab0c8d064a0419d:0xedd589000392ba8c,-34.905255,138.590963&lci=transit&layer=c&cbll=-34.93558,138.602061&panoid=PmFw9pMlvm5jAKcdWH_KPg&cbp=12,71.99,,0,3.79

None of these places ever have real prangs, there's the occasional rear-ender in heavy traffic which is usually just a bingle, but they're not roads you'd "speed" along, they're all sort of ambiguous as to what the limit is as they're on the cusp of 60 zones where there doesn't appear to be a major change in the "density of housing" - which was the original idea behind 50 zones.



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# In 2008, 36% of people who died had a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.05% or higher: most had BACs three times the legal limit

# 55% of drivers aged between 16 - 25 years who died had a BAC of 0.05% or higher

# In 2008 15% of drivers and riders tested positive to drugs

# In 2008 39% of vehicle occupants who died were not wearing a seatbelt

http://www.sapolice.sa.gov.au/sapol/road_safety/road_statistics.jsp



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if only we could privatise speed cameras.... now that would be a business to get into.



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