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Offline 360c

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I thought the car was the only connection with Tassie, what did you ask your mother to do that she says no but the hooker was OK with?  :yummy:

It's only one of four different cars I ran in Tassie.



Offline Aircon

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And this boys and girls is why PP vs FF will never, ever be consigned to history. It will be in play till the end of their lives.

Nothing to do with me! Check the ignition thread! I'm minding my own business with my personal car experiences, and it jumps in with a load of bollocks and paranoid conspiracy theories.

it doesn't only happen to me, of course.


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Offline Ferrari Fissatore

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And this boys and girls is why PP vs FF will never, ever be consigned to history. It will be in play till the end of their lives.

I think most people appreciate that I rarely query opinion, yet I always emphasise and declare facts.

Fact is, a 512TR is a very different car to drive and own than a testarossa. That much is indisputable by anyone that's experienced a few examples of either.

I just like to remind people to split opinion from fact. It's important.



Offline mhh

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How a TR differs from a Testarossa...found on another forum.

Engine- Block is still flat 12 boxer engine cast in light alloy, crankshaft still has seven main bearings, the cylinders still have four valves and each cylinder banks still has two overhead cams.
1.   Bore and stroke of 82mm by 78mm, 4942 cc capacity (unchanged);
2.   HP increased from 380hp SAE to 421, with most of the increase coming from a redesign of the intake manifolds, a repositioning of the injectors, and a recalibration of the injectors, and a recalibration of the engine management system, the later controlling the integrated electronic fuel injection system;
3.   Torque increased from 354lb ft to 360;
4.   0-60mph, 5.7 sec to 4.8;
5.   Top speed- 180mph to 192;
6.   New cylinder liner manufactured in aluminum with Nikasil coating;
7.   New pistons due to larger intake valves;
8.   Increase in compression ratio (10.1 to1)
9.   Modified cylinder head gaskets due to a higher compression ratio and a different cylinder head coolant circulation layout;
10.   Reinforced camshafts of a new profile;
11.   Valve tappets with a new design bucket and springs;
12.   New intake valves of a larger diameter;
13.   Separate air boxes with filters, with a dynamic air intake;
14.   Longer and straighter air intake manifolds;
15.   Integrated electronic fuel injection system and ignition (Bosch Motronic 2.7) with self-diagnostic capabilities, and with ECU located in the cockpit;
16.   Double independent submergible fuel pumps;
17.   Exhaust manifolds with new layout;
18.   Metallic type pre-catalyst converters;
19.   Exhaust muffler with resonators and new heat shields;
20.   Aluminum oil radiator with U circulation and without fan, allowing for better permeability; aluminum tubing;
21.   Dual copper water radiators with U circulation in series and new aluminum tubing;
22.   Coolant expansion tank located between intake manifolds;
23.   More powerful alternator;
24.   Secondary air pump with new air distribution pattern.

Chassis- Up front, the chassis frame was strengthened around specific points; for example, the steering rack mounts and the front suspension mounts. Highly stressed frame pieces are made of special chromium-molybdenum steel. At the rear, the old engine sub frame has been done away with. To gain a noticeable increase in stiffness, the rear frame was made an integral part of the entire chassis. The engine is now lifted out from above. Around the passenger compartment, the steel platform, rear bench, front and rear firewalls, and pillars are all welded directly to the tubes of the chassis. End result is that chassis flex has been reduced by 25% and torsional rigidity has been increased by 12.5%. Other chassis specifics as noted by Ferrari:
1.   Weight reduction of 40kg/88lbs;
2.   Lower center of gravity;
3.   Reduction of unsprung weight;
4.   Steering points in aluminum alloy;
5.   New steering column shaft design;
6.   New steering rack with longer arms and more direct ratios;
7.   New steering moment offset;
8.   Bilstein gas shock absorbers with aluminum body and adjustable plate;
9.   New shock absorber settings;
10.   Lighter weight springs.

Gearbox and Differential
1.   Limited slip differential (40%) with reduced axial thrust to increase reliability;
2.   New transfer gear ratio;
3.   Strengthened transfer gears;
4.   New synchronizer pre-loading springs;
5.   Gear shift lever housing with sliding ball bearings;
6.   New selector and modified gear shift lever inclination;
7.   New single plate clutch with reduced inertia and asbestos free clutch linings;
8.   Entire gearbox and transmission strengthened throughout.

Brakes
1.   Larger front discs, 315mm x 32mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
2.   Larger rear discs, 310 mm x 28mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
3.   Aluminum calipers with larger pistons: front 44/40mm; rear: 40/36mm;
4.   New ducts for brake cooling;
5.   New brake proportioning valve;
6.   Brake pedal ratio is more direct;
7.   Redesigned hand brake with reduced application effort.

Wheels and Tires
1.   Front wheels increased from 16” to 8” x 18” with 235/40 ZR 18 tires;
2.   Rear wheels increased from 16” to 10.5” x 18” with 295/35 ZR 18 tires.

Styling Changes
1.   New trapezoidal shaped air intake scoops on front with prancing horse;
2.   Body colored front spoiler;
3.   New profile to the C pillar fins in the rear sections with elimination of vents in sail panels;
4.   Integral air intake slots added to the engine cover;
5.   Rear lights are now dual colored and a redesign of the underbumper to change aesthetics of the exhaust system and exhaust outlets.
6.   Wheels redesigned;
7.   Interior restyled with elimination of center console and repositioning of the corresponding instruments under the central part of the dashboard.
8.   Door panels and armrests have been changed.

HTH :D



Offline Aircon

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So, pretty much identical then? ;D
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Offline 360c

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Yes, it's pretty typical Ferrari model update in 2nd part of model cycle (think 360/430) vs new generation model (think 458). However the differences don't make as much of an impact unlike the 360/430 model update. I've driven both extensively and on the limits so I am qualified to make the statement. I've driven every V8 and most of the V12's since the mid 1970's and the closest I can equate the difference to is the upgrade from 308 QV to 328. Bit more power, bit better braking, updated interior but feels very similar under the skin.

All variations of the Testarossa are pretty crap IMO. All are scary on the limit because of the roll oversteer resulting from that 12 cylinder engine sitting over the gearbox. What sort of a retard thought that one up  :doh:
The brakes are crap, the ergonomics are poor blah, blah, blah.......
Buy a 550 and get a really great usable V12.



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Offline goober

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How a TR differs from a Testarossa...found on another forum.

Engine- Block is still flat 12 boxer engine cast in light alloy, crankshaft still has seven main bearings, the cylinders still have four valves and each cylinder banks still has two overhead cams.
1.   Bore and stroke of 82mm by 78mm, 4942 cc capacity (unchanged);
2.   HP increased from 380hp SAE to 421, with most of the increase coming from a redesign of the intake manifolds, a repositioning of the injectors, and a recalibration of the injectors, and a recalibration of the engine management system, the later controlling the integrated electronic fuel injection system;
3.   Torque increased from 354lb ft to 360;
4.   0-60mph, 5.7 sec to 4.8;
5.   Top speed- 180mph to 192;
6.   New cylinder liner manufactured in aluminum with Nikasil coating;
7.   New pistons due to larger intake valves;
8.   Increase in compression ratio (10.1 to1)
9.   Modified cylinder head gaskets due to a higher compression ratio and a different cylinder head coolant circulation layout;
10.   Reinforced camshafts of a new profile;
11.   Valve tappets with a new design bucket and springs;
12.   New intake valves of a larger diameter;
13.   Separate air boxes with filters, with a dynamic air intake;
14.   Longer and straighter air intake manifolds;
15.   Integrated electronic fuel injection system and ignition (Bosch Motronic 2.7) with self-diagnostic capabilities, and with ECU located in the cockpit;
16.   Double independent submergible fuel pumps;
17.   Exhaust manifolds with new layout;
18.   Metallic type pre-catalyst converters;
19.   Exhaust muffler with resonators and new heat shields;
20.   Aluminum oil radiator with U circulation and without fan, allowing for better permeability; aluminum tubing;
21.   Dual copper water radiators with U circulation in series and new aluminum tubing;
22.   Coolant expansion tank located between intake manifolds;
23.   More powerful alternator;
24.   Secondary air pump with new air distribution pattern.

Chassis- Up front, the chassis frame was strengthened around specific points; for example, the steering rack mounts and the front suspension mounts. Highly stressed frame pieces are made of special chromium-molybdenum steel. At the rear, the old engine sub frame has been done away with. To gain a noticeable increase in stiffness, the rear frame was made an integral part of the entire chassis. The engine is now lifted out from above. Around the passenger compartment, the steel platform, rear bench, front and rear firewalls, and pillars are all welded directly to the tubes of the chassis. End result is that chassis flex has been reduced by 25% and torsional rigidity has been increased by 12.5%. Other chassis specifics as noted by Ferrari:
1.   Weight reduction of 40kg/88lbs;
2.   Lower center of gravity;
3.   Reduction of unsprung weight;
4.   Steering points in aluminum alloy;
5.   New steering column shaft design;
6.   New steering rack with longer arms and more direct ratios;
7.   New steering moment offset;
8.   Bilstein gas shock absorbers with aluminum body and adjustable plate;
9.   New shock absorber settings;
10.   Lighter weight springs.

Gearbox and Differential
1.   Limited slip differential (40%) with reduced axial thrust to increase reliability;
2.   New transfer gear ratio;
3.   Strengthened transfer gears;
4.   New synchronizer pre-loading springs;
5.   Gear shift lever housing with sliding ball bearings;
6.   New selector and modified gear shift lever inclination;
7.   New single plate clutch with reduced inertia and asbestos free clutch linings;
8.   Entire gearbox and transmission strengthened throughout.

Brakes
1.   Larger front discs, 315mm x 32mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
2.   Larger rear discs, 310 mm x 28mm, with cross drilled braking surface;
3.   Aluminum calipers with larger pistons: front 44/40mm; rear: 40/36mm;
4.   New ducts for brake cooling;
5.   New brake proportioning valve;
6.   Brake pedal ratio is more direct;
7.   Redesigned hand brake with reduced application effort.

Wheels and Tires
1.   Front wheels increased from 16” to 8” x 18” with 235/40 ZR 18 tires;
2.   Rear wheels increased from 16” to 10.5” x 18” with 295/35 ZR 18 tires.

Styling Changes
1.   New trapezoidal shaped air intake scoops on front with prancing horse;
2.   Body colored front spoiler;
3.   New profile to the C pillar fins in the rear sections with elimination of vents in sail panels;
4.   Integral air intake slots added to the engine cover;
5.   Rear lights are now dual colored and a redesign of the underbumper to change aesthetics of the exhaust system and exhaust outlets.
6.   Wheels redesigned;
7.   Interior restyled with elimination of center console and repositioning of the corresponding instruments under the central part of the dashboard.
8.   Door panels and armrests have been changed.

HTH :D

1small problem, mine has centre lock rims which are metric thus trx tyres are about my only option.....neither of the above mentions this minor detail
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Offline Aircon

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All variations of the Testarossa are pretty crap IMO. All are scary on the limit because of the roll oversteer resulting from that 12 cylinder engine sitting over the gearbox.

Not just that, but a large part of the engine/gearbox is BEHIND the rear wheels.

Started with the BB and they stuck with it until the 550

I don't think I've driven a testa of any type, but gee that BB took a lot of getting used to.

I love my car. Buy your own



Offline goober

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  • Location: Thredbo Village
  • Name: Buddy Miles
Yes, it's pretty typical Ferrari model update in 2nd part of model cycle (think 360/430) vs new generation model (think 458). However the differences don't make as much of an impact unlike the 360/430 model update. I've driven both extensively and on the limits so I am qualified to make the statement. I've driven every V8 and most of the V12's since the mid 1970's and the closest I can equate the difference to is the upgrade from 308 QV to 328. Bit more power, bit better braking, updated interior but feels very similar under the skin.

All variations of the Testarossa are pretty crap IMO. All are scary on the limit because of the roll oversteer resulting from that 12 cylinder engine sitting over the gearbox. What sort of a retard thought that one up  :doh:
The brakes are crap, the ergonomics are poor blah, blah, blah.......
Buy a 550 and get a really great usable V12.

agreed on the 550, 575 is quicker and has better looking front bar
Meeting women on the Internet? Remember, the more similarities u “magically” have, & the more she agrees with u, the fucking crazier she is.



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