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Offline Aircon

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You're wrong, based on the info I provided.

Oh, and the evidence.your website links don't take into account all test conditions.

Do the maths. Straight is 900m. Stop accelerating at what, 750m? That gives you 750m of acceleration from whatever you're exit speed from the corner is. Lucky to be 200kph. You initially said road tyres, but I see you changed your mind about that.

F40 and Enzo showed makes sense based on those figures, but your claim for the 458 is wild.
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Do the maths. Straight is 900m. Stop accelerating at what, 750m? That gives you 750m of acceleration from whatever you're exit speed from the corner is. Lucky to be 200kph. You initially said road tyres, but I see you changed your mind about that.

F40 and Enzo showed makes sense based on those figures, but your claim for the 458 is wild.

I always said road legal / r spec tyres.

Have not edited or changed that.

You're just wrong. The test conditions you quote are not the same as the track test conditions.

Altitude, temp, humidity, wind speed and direction, gradient, and tyres.



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I always said road legal r spec tyres.

Have not edited or changed that.

You're just wrong. The test conditions you quote are not the same as the track test conditions.

Altitude, temp, wind speed and direction, gradient, and tyres.

Suffice to say, there is simply no way a 458 will do 40 kph more down the straight at PI than an F40.

Like I said, the figures on that website add up to what the Enzo and F40 have achieved on that straight.  Your claim for the 458 makes no sense...... not even if it grows wings and flies.

You're being fed misinformation.
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Furthermore, an enzo just isn't as fast as you think.

Look at fiorano times.

From memory, a 458 is the same, and a 599/F12 etc are a fair bit faster.



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Suffice to say, there is simply no way a 458 will do 40 kph more down the straight at PI than an F40.

Like I said, the figures on that website add up to what the Enzo and F40 have achieved on that straight.  Your claim for the 458 makes no sense...... not even if it grows wings and flies.

You're being fed misinformation.

You're ignoring evidence, and expert witness. You're relying on internet links, and guesses.



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You're ignoring evidence, and expert witness. You're relying on internet links, and guesses.

I'm relying on personal experience and facts and figures. ... you're relying on I have no idea what!

More. .. assuming exit speed of 200kph and accelerating for 700m the following speeds are reached based on that website

458 = 260
Enzo = 268
F40 = 265
Scuderia = 254

^^^^^^all makes sense

Now assume an exit speed of 225, which is very unlikely, the 458 does 269.

Your numbers just don't add up.

It's an interesting discussion though.
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I'm relying on personal experience and facts and figures. ... you're relying on I have no idea what!

More. .. assuming exit speed of 200kph and accelerating for 700m the following speeds are reached based on that website

458 = 260
Enzo = 268
F40 = 265
Scuderia = 254

^^^^^^all makes sense

Now assume an exit speed of 225, which is very unlikely, the 458 does 269.

Your numbers just don't add up.

It's an interesting discussion though.

Well, your personal experience is near worthless, and your facts and figures are not based on the conditions at PI or EC, both with gradient factors you're ignoring, plus general test conditions.



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Well, your personal experience is near worthless, and your facts and figures are not based on the conditions at PI or EC, both with gradient factors you're ignoring, plus general test conditions.

Lol. .... Ok.
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Tell us how fast an F12 will go, at PI and EC, assuming std road tyres.

And how about a Speciale?



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How irresponsible. This guy must have done this on the road.

Lock him up.



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