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Offline 360c

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It did??? It sounded far too noisy to be standard, I thought.

Definitely

When did you drive it as fast as that and not on "R" spec tyres? Both these cars were on road tyres.

I had 2 sets of wheels remember, one with Hoosiers and one with new P-Zero's from memory.
When I got the car it was on the original Goodyear tires that were specifically designed for the F50. My car was one of the last, a May 1998 build from memory. The tyres were at least 6 years old and as hard as concrete when I had my first drive. The car was absolutely hideous to drive on, just plain dangerous, wheel spin and under steer everywhere...............on the street. Changed to P-Zero as they had stopped making the Goodyear by then.  Car was transformed and just so beautifully balanced and easy to drive. I did a few track days on these before I got the 2nd set of wheels with R spec tyres, so I reckon I am qualified to comment. I'm not making spectacular videos for a living so I don't attempt to drive like Chris Harris. However I did drive the F50 pretty hard on the track, certainly fast enough to make judgement on how it performed at  speeds that you would not attempt on the road. The car didn't under steer like the one Harris drove and I wonder if it might have been tyre and/or setup choice.
Eventually I got the 2nd set of wheels and Hoosiers and the handling limits were obviously quite different.
My experience was that the car was very easy to drive quickly, nicely balanced and very stiff. The brakes were well up to the job, with a very hard pedal. Steering feel was fantastic, not overly heavy and it was quite easy to correct rear end slide.
One problem I had that Harris would not have been troubled by was lack of leg room. Even with the seat hard against the fire wall my legs were hitting the bottom of the dash. That made it a bit tough to get comfy.
I really liked the fact that there were no computer nannies anywhere to save you. It truly was the last analogue Ferrari super car.



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I really liked the fact that there were no computer nannies anywhere to save you. It truly was the last analogue Ferrari super car.

Sad but true.

Did it have ABS though?
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BTW I don't believe it didn't have understeer. Maybe you didn't experience any, but it's incomprehensible to me that it didn't have any.  So does the F40 Incidentally.
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Sad but true.

Did it have ABS though?

No ABS,  No traction control, no boost assistance to the brakes even. You fucked up and it was entirely up to you to deal with it  :thumbsup:



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BTW I don't believe it didn't have understeer. Maybe you didn't experience any, but it's incomprehensible to me that it didn't have any.  So does the F40 Incidentally.

It's a street car despite the F1 this and that hype, so of course it was set up to have some degree of understeer as a safety measure. What I was referring to was Chris Harris' assertion that it had too much understeer which compromised the experience and he had to in effect "drive around" it. Mine was nothing at all like that. For a road car it was very nicely balanced.

I forgot to note an important point earlier that Chris Harris touched on. The F50 engine doesn't come alive until it's got about 4000rpm dialled up. Below that, it's not underpowered by any means; but it IS harsh with plenty of NVH issues due to the engine being hard mounted to the carbon tub. Above the 4000 RPM it all smooths out and goes away; but by then you are motoring along big time. You can see that in the video taken inside my car as we rolled around the suburbs of WA on the FCA rally years ago. I think that's a large part of the reason the F50 gets a bad rap because a road car spends most of it's time under 4000 RPM as it drives around suburban roads and freeways.

As an aside Ferrari tried very hard to fix the NVH issues which delayed the release of the car. They tried rubber mounts and everything else; but it compromised the handling. The solution was to introduce as much sound insulation on the firewall as possible. Didn't work !
When they did the press release it was only at Fiorano. There were no road tests allowed and Ferrari went to great lengths to try to ensure that customer cars didn't find themselves in press tests. That's why pretty much all the tests that you ever saw were the official ones at Fiorano. Road tests were few and far between.




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so without the seats id fit ok? fine with me



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so without the seats id fit ok? fine with me

Anything over 183 cm is a pretty tight fit in the leg department. There wasn't any scope to do anything with the seat rails to lower the seat either. The problem was there just wasn't enough rearward travel in the seat before it was hard against the firewall. Perhaps they didn't account for that 2 inches of high density foam insulation when they did the initial tub design.



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It's a street car despite the F1 this and that hype, so of course it was set up to have some degree of understeer as a safety measure. What I was referring to was Chris Harris' assertion that it had too much understeer which compromised the experience and he had to in effect "drive around" it. Mine was nothing at all like that. For a road car it was very nicely balanced.


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For me, I remembering being in a VW Kombi van in London and looking at what must've been the introduction of the F50 in 1995 in a car magazine with an aerial 'birds-eye' view of it. Performance Car? Autocar?

We then went to the Monte Carlo GP and saw the F50 in red and black. Bloody hell.

For me the F50 sits with the Countach QV and the McLaren F1 as my all time favorites.



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Back to Chris Harris.

What another awesome insight into 2 amazing cars!

Chris = Rockstar!
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