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Offline Condor Man

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Wow,

I had no idea that the F12 was 2 Seconds a lap faster than the 458 at Fiorano.

And it is 2.1 Seconds faster from 200kph - 250kph.

Farrrr Outttt!

Those F12's must be really quick....

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_620_gt-vs-ferrari_458_italia.html
May the Horse be with you....



Offline 360c

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Wow,

I had no idea that the F12 was 2 Seconds a lap faster than the 458 at Fiorano.

And it is 2.1 Seconds faster from 200kph - 250kph.

Farrrr Outttt!

Those F12's must be really quick....

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/ferrari_620_gt-vs-ferrari_458_italia.html

As has been documented many times, the Fiorano lap times are a marketing tool used by Ferrari and manipulated to suit. Additionally the track has been resurfaced and changed over the years so it's not comparing apples with apples in some cases.
Quite often when you compare the times of a new model vs the old, the tyres fitted to the new car can often be enough to account for the difference in lap times. The Speciale vs the 458 might be one of those cases at circa 1.5 seconds if memory serves me correctly.




Offline Ferrari Fissatore

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Correct.

Stats often distorted, and incorrectly quoted, and with differing test conditions.



Offline Condor Man

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What about the acceleration times that are conducted from car magazines.

Are these distorted??
May the Horse be with you....



Offline Ferrari Fissatore

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What about the acceleration times that are conducted from car magazines.

Are these distorted??

You're trusting journalists to quote your facts from?

Gees....


You have testimony from the Ferrari Australasia track event coordinator, actually testing the specific point in question, and you want journalists to corroborate your story?




Offline 360c

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What about the acceleration times that are conducted from car magazines.

Are these distorted??

Yes sometimes; but often without ill intent. If they use a car borrowed from a normal retail customer it may well be optioned with all the luxury crap which can add up to 100kg to the curb weight. Then different magazines have different testing policies. Some of them test with 2 people onboard and full fuel tanks which is a massive handicap.
Ferrari optimize the spec of the car with options choices that give minimum curb weight and then test with driver and bugger all fuel in the tanks and have a full crew of people on hand to monitor and enure the car is in optimum condition for testing. They have multiple wheel sets with fresh tyres………yada yada. Maybe they even pick engines off the line that dyno test with the highest hp/torque figures according to rumour; but impossible to prove.



Offline dkabab

Yes sometimes; but often without ill intent. If they use a car borrowed from a normal retail customer it may well be optioned with all the luxury crap which can add up to 100kg to the curb weight. Then different magazines have different testing policies. Some of them test with 2 people onboard and full fuel tanks which is a massive handicap.
Ferrari optimize the spec of the car with options choices that give minimum curb weight and then test with driver and bugger all fuel in the tanks and have a full crew of people on hand to monitor and enure the car is in optimum condition for testing. They have multiple wheel sets with fresh tyres………yada yada. Maybe they even pick engines off the line that dyno test with the highest hp/torque figures according to rumour; but impossible to prove.


Lambo did that with the LP670-SV, they cherry picked the engines from the LP640 that made extra hp and put them aside for the SV.



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So Scott,

You are a smart and educated man especially when it comes to Ferrari's.

If I may ask you the following questions;

1) Do you think that it would be possible for a 458 to hit the main straight at PI at 250KPH?

And If so,

2) Do you think that the 16.2 secs that it takes to hit 300kph is enough time to travel down the straight at PI and to brake and make the corner?

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ferrari_458_italia.html
Especially considering that it takes a slower cup car to travel the straight at 11seconds.

I would suggest that there is NO WAY a 458 could hit the main straight at 250kph

and

That there is NO WAY 16.2 secs is available on the straight.
May the Horse be with you....



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