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Offline E7ITE


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Perhaps Scud could get in touch with 1414 Degrees and get a discount as an early adopter? 

500kwh in a 70cm cube is game-changing stuff.



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Perhaps Scud could get in touch with 1414 Degrees and get a discount as an early adopter? 

500kwh in a 70cm cube is game-changing stuff.

I would be interested to know more about them, especially the heat aspects.



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I found a website that sells Tesla battery modules from salvaged Tesla's and sundry electrical gear to be used in EV conversions and off grid solar systems. There is some pretty interesting stuff here:

http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=463&osCsid=rp0cj2i33tp2j88tnj80dto4e5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpSrHZnCi-A




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I found a website that sells Tesla battery modules from salvaged Tesla's and sundry electrical gear to be used in EV conversions and off grid solar systems. There is some pretty interesting stuff here:

http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=463&osCsid=rp0cj2i33tp2j88tnj80dto4e5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpSrHZnCi-A

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My daughter Daia is just about finished her year 10 personal project not sure its on the national curriculum but its a SA SACE project that involves a year long study project of your choice.

Anyhow she chose to study and report on the shortage of lithium as a battery storage system and provided an alternative very proud of what she has researched and presented the below is a video she produced ( i assisted in the experiment video at the end).

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMeWnaNzS8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMeWnaNzS8</a>



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New energy storage technology from SA company-


Silicon will blow lithium batteries out of water, says Adelaide firm

by Ben Potter

An Adelaide company has developed a silicon storage device that it claims costs a tenth as much as a lithium ion battery to store the same energy and is eyeing a $10 million public float.

1414 Degrees had its origins in patented CSIRO research and has built a prototype molten silicon storage device which it is testing at its Tonsley Innovation Precinct site south of Adelaide.

Chairman Kevin Moriarty says 1414 Degrees' process can store 500 kilowatt hours of energy in a 70-centimetre cube of molten silicon – about 36 times as much energy as Tesla's 14KWh Powerwall 2 lithium ion home storage battery in about the same space.

Put another way, he says the company can build a 10MWh storage device for about $700,000. The 714 Tesla Powerwall 2s that would be needed to store the same amount of energy would cost $7 million before volume discounts.

"There's no comparison. Except for a few specialised circumstances it will make them totally uneconomic frankly," Mr Moriarty said. "I don't think it's dawned on the market yet and it won't until we get them into a real-world situation."

1414 Degrees has raised $500,000 of a $2 million seed capital issue that it hopes to complete by the end of next month. It is in talks with a hydroponic herb farm and wind farm suppliers about pilot commercial scale trials of its technology, and is planning a $10 million public share issue to fund construction of the first two 200 megawatt hour units.

Mr Moriarty is counting on 40 per cent to 50 per cent of the cost of these initial devices being funded by government subsidies because of the unique technology. The device stores electrical energy by using it to heat a block of pure silicon to melting point – 1414 degrees Celsius. It discharges through a heat-exchange device such as a Stirling engine or a turbine, which converts heat back to electrical energy, and recycles waste heat to lift efficiency.

Pure silicon is a shimmering, blue-grey "metalloid" – a substance that exhibits characteristics of metals and non-metals. A byproduct of smelting metal quartz ores, it is abundant and cheap. It is attractive as a storage medium because it is stable at the 1414 degree melting point, and can hold the heat for a week or two with adequate insulation although 1414 Degree's devices are designed to charge and discharge daily.

If the claims stand up at commercial scale the molten silicon storage device could be one of the technological breakthroughs that make it cheaper to store energy from wind and solar farms. This could smooth out their intermittent generation and also help prevent or isolate blackouts from transmission failures during storms such as the one that hit South Australia in September.

Still, 1414 Degrees is only one of a growing number of companies seeking to push the frontiers of storage technology in Australia and win a role in the the energy grid of the future, which is evolving from one dependent on "baseload".


Storage race

First Graphite Resources is funding the commercialisation of a graphene "supercapacitor" battery – which Tesla founder Elon Musk says could be the next big breakthrough – developed at Swinburne University. Nano-Nouvelle has developed lightweight copper coated porous current collectors that could add 50 per cent more capacity to lithium batteries.

Reposit Power, Greensync and Redback Technologies develop and sell software that helps households, firms and communities get the most from solar panels and wind turbines. Simon Hackett's Redflow is commercialising zinc bromide flow batteries – which claim to be longer lasting and less prone to catching fire than lithium batteries. Mr Hackett paid $730,000 last year to install 660KWh of Reflow's batteries at his business park – similar to the price for which Mr Moriarty says 1414 Degrees can build a 10MWh silicon storage device.

Rather than just sell its storage devices, 1414 Degrees wants to enter into joint ventures with customers – or partners – and share in the benefits. For example, Mr Moriarty said its devices could increase the revenue of a wind farm by 25 per cent, through increased output and exploiting higher wholesale prices when the wind isn't blowing. For a hydroponic farm, it can provide heat as well as electricity.

sounds a bit suss.......who sets up a company in Sadelaide
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sounds a bit suss.......who sets up a company in Sadelaide

they probably got a massive gov grant to set up there



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http://www.rmit.edu.au/news/all-news/2017/apr/bio-inspired-energy-storage--a-new-light-for-solar-power

"Bio-inspired energy storage: a new light for solar power:

Inspired by an American fern, researchers have developed a groundbreaking prototype that could be the answer to the storage challenge still holding solar back as a total energy solution.

The new type of electrode created by RMIT University researchers could boost the capacity of existing integrable storage technologies by 3000 per cent.

But the graphene-based prototype also opens a new path to the development of flexible thin film all-in-one solar capture and storage, bringing us one step closer to self-powering smart phones, laptops, cars and buildings.

The new electrode is designed to work with supercapacitors, which can charge and discharge power much faster than conventional batteries.

Supercapacitors have been combined with solar, but their wider use as a storage solution is restricted because of their limited capacity.

RMIT’s Professor Min Gu said the new design drew on nature’s own genius solution to the challenge of filling a space in the most efficient way possible – through intricate self-repeating patterns known as “fractals”.

“The leaves of the western swordfern are densely crammed with veins, making them extremely efficient for storing energy and transporting water around the plant,” said Gu, Leader of the Laboratory of Artificial Intelligence Nanophotonics and Associate Deputy Vice-Chancellor for Research Innovation and Entrepreneurship at RMIT.

“Our electrode is based on these fractal shapes – which are self-replicating, like the mini structures within snowflakes – and we’ve used this naturally-efficient design to improve solar energy storage at a nano level.


A western swordfern leaf magnified 400 times, showing the self-repeating fractal pattern of its veins.
“The immediate application is combining this electrode with supercapacitors, as our experiments have shown our prototype can radically increase their storage capacity – 30 times more than current capacity limits.

“Capacity-boosted supercapacitors would offer both long-term reliability and quick-burst energy release - for when someone wants to use solar energy on a cloudy day for example - making them ideal alternatives for solar power storage.”         

Combined with supercapacitors, the fractal-enabled laser-reduced graphene electrodes can hold the stored charge for longer, with minimal leakage.

The fractal design reflected the self-repeating shape of the veins of the western swordfern, Polystichum munitum, native to western North America.       

Lead author, PhD researcher Litty Thekkekara, said because the prototype was based on flexible thin film technology, its potential applications were countless.

“The most exciting possibility is using this electrode with a solar cell, to provide a total on-chip energy harvesting and storage solution,” Thekkekara said.

“We can do that now with existing solar cells but these are bulky and rigid. The real future lies in integrating the prototype with flexible thin film solar – technology that is still in its infancy.

“Flexible thin film solar could be used almost anywhere you can imagine, from building windows to car panels, smart phones to smart watches.

"We would no longer need batteries to charge our phones or charging stations for our hybrid cars.

“With this flexible electrode prototype we’ve solved the storage part of the challenge, as well as shown how they can work with solar cells without affecting performance.

"Now the focus needs to be on flexible solar energy, so we can work towards achieving our vision of fully solar-reliant, self-powering electronics.” "



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Tesla's solar roof pricing is cheap enough to be huge

by Tom Randall

Tesla's solar roof is more expensive than a typical roof, but less expensive than a typical roof with traditional solar and back-up batteries.

Tesla has begun taking $US1000 ($1360) deposits for its remarkable solar roof tiles to be delivered this northern summer at a price point that could expand the US solar market.

Tesla will begin with production of two of the four styles it unveiled in October: a smooth glass and a textured glass tile. Roofing a 2000 square-foot (186 sq m) home in New York state — with 40 per cent coverage of active solar tiles and battery backup for night-time use — would cost about $US50,000 after federal tax credits and generate $US64,000 in energy over 30 years, according to Tesla's website calculator.

That's more expensive than a typical roof, but less expensive than a typical roof with traditional solar and back-up batteries. Musk figures most people will have about 40 per cent of their roofs covered in active solar tiles, more than double the energy production of a typical solar roof. The warranty is for the lifetime of your home.

"The pricing is better than I expected, better than everyone expected," said Hugh Bromley, a solar analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance who had been sceptical about the potential market impact of the new product.

Tesla's cost of active solar tiles is about $US42 per square foot, "significantly below" BNEF's prior estimate of $US68 per square foot, Bromley said. Inactive tiles will cost $US11 per square foot.

 
The vision Musk describes with the solar roof is the grand unification of Tesla's clean-energy ambitions, combining solar power, batteries, and electric cars.

"These are really the three legs of the stool for a sustainable energy future," Musk said. "Solar power going to a stationary battery pack so you have power at night, and then charging an electric vehicle … you can scale that to all the world's demand."

The rooftop shingles are virtually indistinguishable from traditional high-end roofing products, with discreet solar cells embedded beneath a glass surface. From most viewing angles, they look just like ordinary shingles, but they allow light to pass through from above onto a standard flat solar cell.

Tesla is going after an Apple Store strategy for solar power after acquiring SolarCity last year for $US2 billion. Tesla has halted door-to-door sales of solar panels and begun testing solar sales in its auto stores. Initial trials found the new strategy was 50 to 100 per cent more effective than at the best non-Tesla locations selling SolarCity products. Over the next six months, more than 70 stores will be staffed for solar sales.

Production will begin at Tesla's Fremont solar plant in California and then shift to its new factory in Buffalo, New York, with additional investments from Tesla's partner, Panasonic. 

Tesla released a tool on its website, where US homeowners can estimate the total cost and lifetime savings of adding the solar roof and backup batteries. The total cost of installation and electricity savings will be lower than comparable solar setups. However, the initial cost of the roof remains considerably higher than installing a roof without solar.

"It is the most affordable roof you can buy, all things considered," said Peter Rive, co-founder of Tesla's recently acquired SolarCity division.

Tesla will manage the entire process of solar roof installation, including removal of existing roofs, design, permits, installation and maintenance. The company estimates that installation will take about a week.

The tempered glass in Tesla's tiles is designed to conform to the toughest durability standards for both roofs and solar products anywhere in the US, according to Tesla. The roof itself is guaranteed to outlive your home, while the power production of the solar cells is covered under a 30 year warranty.

Bloomberg



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Saw that......... looks very promising.............



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