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Offline Elise


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just wondering how much it costs per year to maintain a series 2 lotus elise S ( the one with the 100kw toyota engine )  and also how does the cost compare to a normal car like a mx5 and costs such as

oil and filter change
transmission, radiator coolant fluids
Timing Belt
Clutch
Battery
Radiator
water pump

and is it true that the lotus elise S series 2 is like the mr2 spyder as when you change stuff like the timing belt, water pump etc that you need to pull the whole engine out to do it and as a result it cost more to service compared to a normal car?

thanks



Offline futurism


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I thought you were buying to stick a Honda engine in it?

However, they are cheaper to maintain than nearly anything else in the world.

Dont buy Lotus parts, buy Toyota parts, use an independent mechanic or do it yourself.
I dont think you need to take the Engine out to do the timing belt.

Being a light car, tyres, clutch, brakes, all last quite a long time.

Tyres are cheap as well because they are small, I wouldnt be tempted to stick bigger wheels on it.
You are aware of the aussie elises forum I presume?

Fluids, no need for anything special.

Brakes are your best upgrade, pads and fluid first depending on whats currently on / in the car.
Discs and pads should be ordered online from one of the many reputable English or German Elise specialist shops.



Offline Elise


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i still plan to put a honda motor in but i would like the engine in my elise S to last ~10 years

while i save up for the honda motor swap?

 also origninally i wanted the elise S with the
lower kerb weight of  710kg but then realised it didnt have air bags

also i prefer the heavier elise S because it has a more reliable toyota engine
also wanted to know maintenance cost so i can budget for it


also do you mean this forum

http://aussieelises.com/


also, curious when you say use toyota parts does that also mean
the k seried engine costs more to maintain compared to
the toyota engine?

also do you have the websites for the "reputable English or German Elise specialist shops. "

also thanks for the advice



Offline looney


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Not to sound rude, i know due diligence is important and knowing what you're up for is a good idea.  But you have said you need to budget for the servicing.  That to me says you may be biting of more than you can chew.  If you have not got enough in savings to cover reasonable expense (which on an elise is quite low, lets say $5-10k) just idly laying around and wont miss it if you have to spend it maybe you need to be in a slightly stronger position before buying a toy.  Granted the elise is only cheap but i think the same applies to anything higher in the pecking order too. I.e. buy a used 911 turbo only if you wont blink an eye at a $15-20k bill should it come.

For example when i got my 996 turbo, despite all assurances it was 'perfect' in the ppi, i still ended up with unforseen rectification expenses that were near $10k in a short time from buying it. Had i been having to 'save' to pay for servicing then i would have had a problem. So just being the devils advocate here for making sure you can afford what you want, because I'm sure the joy would quickly leave your toy if it became a burden.



Offline andecorp

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Not to sound rude, i know due diligence is important and knowing what you're up for is a good idea.  But you have said you need to budget for the servicing.  That to me says you may be biting of more than you can chew.  If you have not got enough in savings to cover reasonable expense (which on an elise is quite low, lets say $5-10k) just idly laying around and wont miss it if you have to spend it maybe you need to be in a slightly stronger position before buying a toy.  Granted the elise is only cheap but i think the same applies to anything higher in the pecking order too. I.e. buy a used 911 turbo only if you wont blink an eye at a $15-20k bill should it come.
Agreed. If you need to budget for servicing, which in an Elise it's peanuts, you are not in a financial position for ownership yet. Maintenance costs should not have to be budgeted, otherwise you will end up with a painful and stressful experience. You want this to be fun, as such you must have the ability for discretionary spending on maintenance as it's required.
You make something idiotproof, they'll make a better idiot.



Offline sloppykaput


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i still plan to put a honda motor in but i would like the engine in my elise S to last ~10 years

while i save up for the honda motor swap?

 also origninally i wanted the elise S with the
lower kerb weight of  710kg but then realised it didnt have air bags

also i prefer the heavier elise S because it has a more reliable toyota engine
also wanted to know maintenance cost so i can budget for it


also do you mean this forum

http://aussieelises.com/


also, curious when you say use toyota parts does that also mean
the k seried engine costs more to maintain compared to
the toyota engine?

also do you have the websites for the "reputable English or German Elise specialist shops. "

also thanks for the advice


If you are from Australia then look at http://www.simplysportscars.com/en/servicing-repair for service prices.
Quote
SERVICE 1
$295* + PARTS
Service 1 is in accordance with Lotus Cars'
service schedule recommendations.
Recommended annually.

SERVICE 2
$395* + PARTS
SSC's recommended service.
Recommended annually.

SERVICE 3
$695* + PARTS
This is essential for any serious track car
and recommended at least once every 7-8
track days.

*Additional Labour is charged at $125 per hour. All prices are plus GST

Also a list of s2 toyota elises
1-S2 Elise S - 1.8L Toyota 1ZZ-FE with 100kw
2-S2 Elise R - 1.8L Toyota 2ZZ-GE 141kw
3-S2 Elise SC - 1.8L Toyota 2ZZ- GE Supercharged 160kw
4-S3 Elise (facelifted version) 1.6L Toyota 1ZR-FAE 100kw
5-S3 Elise S (facelifted version) 1.8L 2GR-FE Superchaeged 160kw
6-Club Racer variants



Offline Elise


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Not to sound rude, i know due diligence is important and knowing what you're up for is a good idea.  But you have said you need to budget for the servicing.  That to me says you may be biting of more than you can chew.  If you have not got enough in savings to cover reasonable expense (which on an elise is quite low, lets say $5-10k) just idly laying around and wont miss it if you have to spend it maybe you need to be in a slightly stronger position before buying a toy.  Granted the elise is only cheap but i think the same applies to anything higher in the pecking order too. I.e. buy a used 911 turbo only if you wont blink an eye at a $15-20k bill should it come.

For example when i got my 996 turbo, despite all assurances it was 'perfect' in the ppi, i still ended up with unforseen rectification expenses that were near $10k in a short time from buying it. Had i been having to 'save' to pay for servicing then i would have had a problem. So just being the devils advocate here for making sure you can afford what you want, because I'm sure the joy would quickly leave your toy if it became a burden.



"to cover reasonable expense (which on an elise is quite low, lets say $5-10k)"


Are you saying, reasonable expenses would cost 5-10k$ a year? if so, then i think the car might be too expensive for me

also, if you dont mind me asking

when you said

 "For example when i got my 996 turbo, despite all assurances it was 'perfect' in the ppi, i still ended up with unforseen rectification expenses that were near $10k in a short time from buying it."

what exactly needed to be rectified, and was the huge bill a result of it being an expensive car?




Offline Elise


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Agreed. If you need to budget for servicing, which in an Elise it's peanuts, you are not in a financial position for ownership yet. Maintenance costs should not have to be budgeted, otherwise you will end up with a painful and stressful experience. You want this to be fun, as such you must have the ability for discretionary spending on maintenance as it's required.

i see your point



Offline Elise


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If you are from Australia then look at http://www.simplysportscars.com/en/servicing-repair for service prices.
Also a list of s2 toyota elises
1-S2 Elise S - 1.8L Toyota 1ZZ-FE with 100kw
2-S2 Elise R - 1.8L Toyota 2ZZ-GE 141kw
3-S2 Elise SC - 1.8L Toyota 2ZZ- GE Supercharged 160kw
4-S3 Elise (facelifted version) 1.6L Toyota 1ZR-FAE 100kw
5-S3 Elise S (facelifted version) 1.8L 2GR-FE Superchaeged 160kw
6-Club Racer variants

thanks for the info



Offline looney


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what exactly needed to be rectified, and was the huge bill a result of it being an expensive car?

Radiators were $1400 a pop (911 has 2 of them), the fans for them were somewhere around $400, ignition barrel jammed, split hose to the intercooler and a few other bits n pieces along the way, that was all in the first month.


as for $5-10k to cover reasonable expenses, for an elise that should cover you for most things and is probably a little generous.  However if you drive like an idiot and break the front clam and dont want to run through your insurance would cost you around $5-8k.  If you had a HGF that might be $2500-3000. perhaps you need to replace a stuffed shock, or the exhaust etc.  a set of decent tyres on an elise will run you probably $1500+  (i would get about 15k's out of a set of rears). Insurance probably $1,000-$2,000 depending on your driving record so all pretty manageable but if you have to budget for it could be bad news as Andecorp says. its supposed to be about fun not a burden  (Please note these prices are based on what i remember from when I last owned an elise which was about 5 years ago)

Cheers

Looney

As mentioned earlier  aussieelises is a great resource and there are some really good and knowledgeable guys over there.



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