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Offline CortinaD


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I would agree that over servicing occurs. Especially when the public, the government, the health funds, and other bodies all want to cut down the price of dentistry. Australia I feel is heading very quickly towards a dental health system which promotes cheap over quality. It wont take long before we are just like the NHS... And the problem is the public do not know what is quality work. They generally only know about whether it hurt or not, or they felt "happy" about their visit, or about price. My suggestion stands - find one you trust, and stick with him. Just like an accountant, lawyer etc....

One of the things I find sad about Australia, is that we tend to condemn our health care professionals for earning a reasonable income, and heaven forbid if they actually seem to be making a good profit. And yet we will celebrate the massive pay packets for sports stars and media personalities. I know plenty of Medicos and Dentists who are too afraid to show any trappings of wealth as they are worried about how they will be perceived by colleagues or patients. WTF????? I would be proud to know my knee surgeon races Porkers, or my GPs have fleets of nice cars. Maybe its the Asian in me?

As far as I am concerned, there is an enormous imbalance within healthcare that needs to be resolved so the support staff such as nurses get paid for the jobs they do. The other thing that makes me ill is the lobbying that has seen all health care professionals get taxation benefits that literally me shake my head at the entire health services industry.



Offline amgsl55

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Offline CortinaD


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Tax benefits such as?

Salary sacrifice holidays and mortgage payments as a start.

Im sure many salary sacrifice mechanical watches as a backup in the event an EMP pulse.



Offline TEZZA

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Not just health care pros. Almost anyone working in the various state health departments.

If you work in a PBI you get a grossed up exempt FBT benefits to $17,000 per annum. So pay your rent from your pre-tax income. Lots of other things you can package.

Second best deal in town.

The best is…… Work for a NFP and its something like $30,000 grossed up.

The Feds have just watered it down a bit to try to get the budget to balance....ha ha ha fat chance.

I think an election very early 2013 is odds on. This group of fools we call a Government cannot last to Budget time as they are stuffed. They will rather go to an early election and get hosed than stay and face the music with the budget.

FBT = Fringe Benefit Tax
PBI = Public Benevolent Institution
NFP = Not For Profit
Government = no logical translation.





Offline amgsl55

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Salary sacrifice holidays and mortgage payments as a start.

Im sure many salary sacrifice mechanical watches as a backup in the event an EMP pulse.

I'm sure salary sacrifice laws are applicable to employees in all sectors. Special tax breaks are usually the sole domain of the agricultural sectors the film industry and holdens.



Offline blackr35


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As far as I am concerned, there is an enormous imbalance within healthcare that needs to be resolved so the support staff such as nurses get paid for the jobs they do. The other thing that makes me ill is the lobbying that has seen all health care professionals get taxation benefits that literally me shake my head at the entire health services industry.

The average RN earns 60-80k a year for a 38hr week for a 3 yr degree that requires little academic merit. As nurses advance, they have less direct patient care. Carers and patient support staff are low paid employees, reflecting the paucity of qualifications/training needed to perform their duties. Most people on this forum wouldn't get out of bed for what most hospital doctors earn.

The genius of this government is promoting discord between otherwise like minded people and benefiting from the ensuing argument.



Offline alvchua


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As far as I am concerned, there is an enormous imbalance within healthcare that needs to be resolved so the support staff such as nurses get paid for the jobs they do. The other thing that makes me ill is the lobbying that has seen all health care professionals get taxation benefits that literally me shake my head at the entire health services industry.

I think you are referring to the salary sacrificing arrangements only applicable to those working in public hospitals as they are public benevolent institutions! A % of their salary (?25%) can be salary sacrificed towards a specific list of expenditures including mortgages! I may be wrong in this but I think that the same salary sacrificing arrangement also applies to others working for other public benevolent institutions viz church run organizations etc! This "generous" arrangement certainly does not apply to ALL health care professionals especially those in private practice!
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Offline ckbag


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Asks 9 dentists how to treat a problem, and you will get at least 10 different responses....
Could be a few different problems that could cause that sort of pain.... Find someone whom you trust, and take their advice.

if that was the problem just refer to a specialist. not saying they would be right 100% of the time but you would have a better chance of accurately diagnosing the problem



Offline smileone96


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if that was the problem just refer to a specialist. not saying they would be right 100% of the time but you would have a better chance of accurately diagnosing the problem
Hmmmm not sure about that. Would be willing to bet that if you gave the same problem to a group of specialists, my initial proposal would still stand - that is you may get a range of different outcomes, and possibly even more conflicting depending on your choice of specialists. The purpose often of referring to the specialist in the case of a complicated diagnosis is to give a finality as such to a client, or to confirm a course of action that is backed up by specialist opinion... As opposed to sending a client to a specialist for a specific procedure that the specialist is more experienced or trained to deal with.
As far as tax break/perks? Hmmmm I must need better accounting & financial advice as I just don't see any in private, at least none more than in any other small business. I think most of the health care professionals I know have not chosen their career path for monetary return, or because of their entrepreneurial skills. The health care careers are no doubt stable careers, but I would hardly call them lucrative.



Offline amgsl55

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if that was the problem just refer to a specialist. not saying they would be right 100% of the time but you would have a better chance of accurately diagnosing the problem

problem with diagnosis is that it's not a true science, it's more of a combination of art and science.  You need to interpret a number of signs that you pick up on and symptoms that the patient expresses to you ( and sometimes they can mislead you in the way they describe things) and then paint a picture from this that you hope is clear enough to be able to choose a treatment modality that is appropriate.  Different practitioners may choose different treatment paths, often the end result is the same.  Almost always the intent is the same -  to do good, not harm.

And trust me, specialists do get it wrong as well. 

End of the day, we are all humans and you'd be hard pressed to show me someone who gets it right in their jobs and their life ALL the time.




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