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lol - just stumbled on this post:

I just saw a SA Government ad exhorting me to use less energy to stop the carbon dioxide problem.  I'm as concerned as the next guy about the environment but I can't stand it when the government uses my tax money to tell me what to do.  I've got a good mind to go out and buy a V12 just to make a point.



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A stupid non-article, however I like this:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24930520-5009760,00.html

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Climates do change over time - there were glaciers and icebergs around Australia during the last ice age 10,000 years ago. Temperatures rose by as much as ten degrees when the ice age ended, Dr Burrows said, and that was not caused by humans.

Recent debate has focussed on whether humans are now causing the world to warm by releasing lots of carbon dioxide.

Dr Burrows said this was not his area of expertise, but there was more research to be done on how much of the recent warming was caused by humans.

Here's someone who studies climate professionally but still doesn't have anything to say about the human effect because it's "not his area of expertise" - yet we're bombarded by every other Eddy the Expert who watched the titular "documentary" on such a topic on a daily basis.



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Banning plastic bags :?  What will be the alternative - lugging a big brown paper one home?

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24646230-2682,00.html

One of the dumbest new laws I've seen in a while comes into effect today.

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South Australia will become the first state to ban checkout-style plastic bags from opening time today, welcomed by green groups as a boon for the environment.

Planet Ark spokeswoman Anne-Marie Byrne said other states should follow SA.

"It is estimated that 100,000 marine creatures die each year from plastic pollution," she said.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,27574,25423800-2682,00.html

Complete fuckwits.

From a year ago:

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Scientists trash plastic bag ban

March 10, 2008

SCIENTISTS and environmentalists have questioned the case against the use of plastic shopping bags as based on flawed science and misreporting.

And in a blow to Environment Minister Peter Garrett's plan to phase out plastic bags by January 1 next year, questions have also emerged over the accuracy of a claim in a report carried out for the Australian Government in 2002 which said plastic bags were responsible for the deaths of 100,000 animals a year.

The report, later amended but widely quoted by environmentalists, actually attributed the deaths to all plastic debris, including fishing nets and equipment.

The Times newspaper in Britain has quoted scientists, including an expert who advises environmental group Greenpeace, as saying plastic bags pose only a minimal threat to most marine species, including seals, whales, dolphins and seabirds.

In January, Mr Garrett said he wanted to phase out the use of supermarket plastic bags by the end of the year and was prepared to consider a ban if necessary.

And yesterday, while denying a report that he was considering a plan for customers to be charged $1 per bag, Mr Garrett said he remained committed to a phase out by January 1 and would meet state government counterparts next month to consider "a range of options" which did not include a levy on bag use.

The claim that the bags kill more than 100,000 marine mammals every year is based on a misinterpretation of a 1987 Canadian study in Newfoundland, which found that, between 1981 and 1984, more than 100,000 animals were killed by discarded nets. The Canadian study did not mention plastic bags.

However, in 2002, a report prepared for the Australian Government by Nolan-ITU in association with the RMIT Centre for Design and Eunomia Research and Consulting Ltd said the Newfoundland study attributed the deaths to "plastic bags".

But according to the Australian Government's Environment Department website, the report was amended in 2006.

The figure has often been used by conservationists as proof that the bags are killers.

But in Britain, scientists, politicians and marine experts have attacked the British Government for joining an anti-bag "bandwagon" based on poor science.

Lord Taverne, the chairman of Sense about Science, said: "The Government is irresponsible to jump on a bandwagon that has no base in scientific evidence.

"This is one of many examples where you get bad science leading to bad decisions which are counter-productive.

"Attacking plastic bags makes people feel good but it doesn't achieve anything."

David Laist, the author of a seminal 1997 study on the subject, said plastic bags did not figure in the majority of cases where animals died from marine debris.

"The main culprits are fishing gear, ropes, lines and strapping bands," he said. "Most mammals are too big to get caught up in a plastic bag."

David Santillo, a marine biologist at Greenpeace, told The Times that bad science was undermining the Government's case for banning the bags.

"It's very unlikely that many animals are killed by plastic bags," Dr Santillo said. "The evidence shows just the opposite. We're not going to solve the problem of waste by focusing on plastic bags. On a global basis plastic bags aren't an issue."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23347190-30417,00.html



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So basically - the big push behind this is because:

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100,000 marine creatures die each year from plastic pollution

And it's based on this:

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...between 1981 and 1984, more than 100,000 animals were killed by discarded nets...

...in 2002, a report prepared for the Australian Government ... attributed the deaths to "plastic bags".

David Laist, the author of a seminal 1997 study on the subject, said plastic bags did not figure in the majority of cases where animals died from marine debris.

So - there were 25,000 deaths a year nearly 30 years ago, caused by fishing stuff - which often happens to be plastic, obviously going shopping is the culprit.

SA - leading the way! :doh:



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"It is estimated that 100,000 marine creatures die each year from plastic pollution"

 :scratchchin:

maybe they should invent a Bogan Plastic bag.

Might help clean up society a tad.
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and dont forget, those are global stats.

little old SA has what.... 1.5million people. 1/6000 of the worlds population... 0.016% yep... we really make a difference.



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and dont forget, those are global stats.

little old SA has what.... 1.5million people. 1/6000 of the worlds population... 0.016% yep... we really make a difference.

That's 4 fish per year. :p



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That's 4 fish per year. :p

and i would eat that in a week.... yep good law...
lucky the missus does the shopping, she remembers to take those "green" bags



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and i would eat that in a week.... yep good law...
lucky the missus does the shopping, she remembers to take those "green" bags

I don't get bugged by much - but this is one thing that does affect me, simply because I very rarely "plan" a shopping outing - it's usually when I'm on the way home from somewhere and spontaneous. 

It's already been annoying on several occasions...

was out running and popped into woolies to grab a few things on the way home - told they don't supply bags, ok I went to leave to go out "shopping" later and at the last minute she puts them in a bag.  Won't be going spontaneous shopping anymore - easier to just go to a restaurant. 

KFC now supply big brown paper bags that aren't the right shape for the box the "meal" comes in - so they put them in vertically and it spills out into the bag, making it greasy and disgusting - won't be getting KFC takeaway anymore.

Target supply a stronger semi-"boutique" bag, but the conversation and transaction is annoying - you buy like $250 of stuff, they do the transaction THEN ask if you want a bag to carry it all in.  "Ok, do you have 15 cents on you sir?"  FFS :?

Liquor Land will give you a box but not a bag - sometimes I just pick up a six-pack or couple bottles of wine when heading somewhere, a box is fine if you're just taking stuff to the car - but walking somewhere?  Kinda awkward.

Oh well - nothing can be done except just not spending $ at inconvenience stores.



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This is what you get at the local bottle shop here.   :confused:



(btw, couldn't find a photo of the bag with some big hairy half nude dude holding it  :p)



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