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Offline dazz245


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Well I have felt like crap and out of energy since he start of my teenage years, been fairly socially withdrawn, and basically like a zombie that likes to nap everyday at 3pm.

I decided to get a blood test and I asked for testosterone and other related hormones to be tested. Got the results back and I'm 2 points and a bit above the minimum (I had 10.4nmol/L). Basically I'm 20 and I have less testosterone than an unfit 75 year old. Two out of 3 doctors I have seen say it's 'normal' because it's within the range (8.3-30.2), and the other will refer me to an endocrinologist if I continue to have low T.

So, does anybody recommend a good doctor for treating this sort of stuff? I don't want to be told that it's my 'personal normal' simply because it's in the range. I figure someone here might be a doctor or running hormone therapies.



Offline a.taylor


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I've got no recommendation for a doctor but out of curiosity how would you describe your diet?



Offline andecorp

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Professor Douglas Lording, Melbourne Andrology Centre at Cabrini Hospital, Malvern.
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Offline Uwish_ttz


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Do me a favour and try this product out

http://wickedsupplements.com/products-page/hormone-support/res100/

Run that for a while and go have tests done again. You should be at least 17 and above with that.
Otherwise you can get a doc to give you test Enathate or Sus250. If you go that route use it wisely.



Offline andecorp

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Do me a favour and try this product out

http://wickedsupplements.com/products-page/hormone-support/res100/

Run that for a while and go have tests done again. You should be at least 17 and above with that.
Otherwise you can get a doc to give you test Enathate or Sus250. If you go that route use it wisely.
Are you a doctor? If not, why are you giving medical advise when you have no idea of this guy's medical history? What if his low test levels are due to a testicular tumour? Exogenous testosterone would just make his problem worse, even life threatening.

The supplement you suggested is garbage and liver toxic. What if this guy has a stressed liver history?

Sustanon is not suitable for testosterone replacement as the various esters in it spike too much and make a yo-yo effect of his testosterone blood results.
Primoteston (test enanthate) is not used by doctors anymore since Reandron (testosterone undecanoate) has hit the market a few years ago and it provides even more steady test blood levels than enanthate.
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Offline Uwish_ttz


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No Im not a doctor. But I know a few young blokes that have low test levels.
If they are in the normal range doctors don't give a f**K. Its that simple. There are ways to lower it if you are playing
games with a doctor just to get Steriods. But I don't advocate that.
Res100 as had good results. That is why I added the link.
Doctors still love to give out SUS250. But yes Test E is a better way to go.



Offline andecorp

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But I know a few young blokes that have low test levels.
Since we are on a car forum, let's put it in context. Let's assume that you never owned a Ferrari or ever worked on one. But you know a few blokes that own some, so you are offering mechanical advice to an owner about his back-firing trouble, without knowing anything about the car's history or current state of health. And some of the advice you are offering can potentially blow up his car.
You make something idiotproof, they'll make a better idiot.



Offline dazz245


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My diet was:

2 cups of rolled oats in milk + 2 whole boiled eggs + 2 boiled egg whites

1 scoop of weigh + 40g peanut butter + 400-500ml milk

300g breast fillet chicken + 300g mashed potato

1 scoop of weigh + 40g peanut butter + 400-500ml milk

300-400g blade steak + 300g mashed potato

500g creamed cottage cheese.



But for the past few days, I changed it:

Breakfast -3 eggs 1.5 cup rolled oats in water.

Lunch - 300g chicken breast fillet boiled and 2 cups of veggies

Dinner - Same as lunch except 300g steak.

In between meals I'll eat fruits and veggies only.



My hope is that I won't need to use any anabolic steroids because I don't want to mess up my ability to have kids and I'm unsure if I can afford them anyway. The thing I've been reading about is clomifene citrate which could work in most cases of secondary hypogonadism.


Thanks for referral Ande :) Do you know if he charges a lot or if there's a super long waiting list?



Offline andecorp

  • Biggest daddy in the park 300kph+ club
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My diet was:

2 cups of rolled oats in milk + 2 whole boiled eggs + 2 boiled egg whites

1 scoop of weigh + 40g peanut butter + 400-500ml milk

300g breast fillet chicken + 300g mashed potato

1 scoop of weigh + 40g peanut butter + 400-500ml milk

300-400g blade steak + 300g mashed potato

500g creamed cottage cheese.



But for the past few days, I changed it:

Breakfast -3 eggs 1.5 cup rolled oats in water.

Lunch - 300g chicken breast fillet boiled and 2 cups of veggies

Dinner - Same as lunch except 300g steak.

In between meals I'll eat fruits and veggies only.



My hope is that I won't need to use any anabolic steroids because I don't want to mess up my ability to have kids and I'm unsure if I can afford them anyway. The thing I've been reading about is clomifene citrate which could work in most cases of secondary hypogonadism.


Thanks for referral Ande :) Do you know if he charges a lot or if there's a super long waiting list?
You're too young for the diet to affect your test levels that much. I'd get fully checked up and see why you are so low at your age.

Lording charges just as much as any other specialist, but you'll get your $ back with Medicare/BUPA. Get your GP to give you a referral and then book your appointment.
You make something idiotproof, they'll make a better idiot.



Offline looney


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i was having a similar problem about a year ago, was feeling kinda low and lethargic

went to the doctor, nothing wrong by their standards levels were at about 11.5,  but that is still on the low side.

started taking

Vitamin E
Vitamin D
Zinc + B6
Omega 3

that cocktail seemed to bump my T levels up after about 8 weeks to about 17.5. 

The Vitamin D was however giving me terrible backne so stopped it.  but just taking the E, Zinc & O3 every second day now and i feel on top of the world

But as andecorp says, do your own research and check with doctors all the way through the process, because I too am no doctor.



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