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Offline AshSimmonds

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Details:
---> http://aussieexotics.com/2007/11/04/mt-buller-elfin-ms8-clubman-fatal-crash

According to someone this morning...

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Conditions were terrible, visibility down to 100m and pissing down with rain.



Offline Ferrari Fissatore

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VERY sad and tragic

also, a sickening gut feel, as I know all the names here, and EVEN MORE SO...

The Elfins were tested over  a year ago at an Eventsoniell drive day, by several drivers, and Allan said that they handled kind of ok but they MUST fix the steering ratio... an incredible low geared rack made recovery from slides almost impossible. (They claim to have it that way as there was no room for PAS and they needed to keep the weight down. I/we said that electric power steer could be mounted in the back....

Allan drove one again 9 months later, and they had done nothing about the rack gearing... he said he wouldn't drive one again unless they did.

Now this..

I hope the steering was nothing to do with the cause of the crash.....



Offline mhh

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VERY sad and tragic

also, a sickening gut feel, as I know all the names here, and EVEN MORE SO...

The Elfins were tested over  a year ago at an Eventsoniell drive day, by several drivers, and Allan said that they handled kind of ok but they MUST fix the steering ratio... an incredible low geared rack made recovery from slides almost impossible. (They claim to have it that way as there was no room for PAS and they needed to keep the weight down. I/we said that electric power steer could be mounted in the back....

Allan drove one again 9 months later, and they had done nothing about the rack gearing... he said he wouldn't drive one again unless they did.

Now this..

I hope the steering was nothing to do with the cause of the crash.....

Peter Brock drove and Elfin in Classic Adelaide in 04 or 05.  The magazines that tested the car said the car badly needed PAS.

Autocar tested a Elfin (open wheeler look - don't know the model) and said it was one of the worst cars they have ever driven.  This prang should kill the brand off.

Edit:  Looks like later models have modified steering - well, the Streamliner version at least.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=122870/pageNumber=1



Here's the Autocar story I referred to - the steering is a problem...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives.aspx?RT=227474

and in this (longish) video if you can wait till the end - scathing.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=227449&CT=V




Offline AshSimmonds

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A few of the folks who knew the guy are posting in the comments section of the article:
---> http://aussieexotics.com/2007/11/04/mt-buller-elfin-ms8-clubman-fatal-crash#comments



Offline ianb


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Don't be in such a hurry to blame the car (or the driver).  Could have been anything from a patch of gravel to a blowout.

Tarmac rallies are probably the most dangerous form of motorsport.  Circuit speeds with no gravel traps, no tyre walls, inconsistent road surfaces, trees, etc.

I have been at driver briefings where the organisers and people like Rick Bates went to great lengths to tell people to be careful, slow in, fast out, etc. Then 3 guys went and rolled on the first stage. 

In a perverse way, I think tarmac rallies are more popular than forest rallies because you don't get dirty and your paintwork stays pretty. There's just a 500% greater chance of serious injury...

I stopped doing these events years ago.  Public roads are no place for 10/10ths driving.



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